I was only 5'8 and had a 2.7 in erect
我当时只有 5 英尺 8 英寸，勃起的阴茎有 2.7 英寸，
penis so what do you think of changing
所以你认为
your sex because you have a 2.7 in penis
因为你有 2.7 英寸的阴茎而改变性别怎么样？ 变性
trans maxing is a transition for
最大化是
personal gain I don't want to spend 70
个人利益的过渡，我不想每周花 70
hours a week working get a personal
小时工作 私人
train of and become a true man well I
训练并成为一个真正的男人，我
don't want to do all those things it was
不想做所有这些事情，这是
a cold and calculated decision plus you
一个冷酷且经过深思熟虑的决定，而且你
don't have to worry about like birth
不必担心
control or anything you've never worn a
节育或任何你从未穿过
dress no and does your boyfriend know
衣服的事情不和 你的男朋友知道
about the trans maxing this removes
跨性别最大化吗？这会消除
testosterone you should potentially
睾丸激素，你应该潜在地
change your sex just to get a cheaper
改变你的性别，只是为了在这一集中的生活中获得更便宜的
car
汽车
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insurance in this episode of Life
保险。
uncovered I'm entering the controversial
我正在进入有争议的
world of trans maxing what is trans
跨性别最大世界，根据什么是
maxing well according to the trans
跨性别最大 跨
maxing Manifesto It's when a man
性别者宣言 当一个男人
transitions to become a woman not
转变为女性时，不是
because they identify as a woman but
因为他们认为自己是女人，而是
because they think Life as a woman is
因为他们认为作为女人的生活会
just just better and they want all the
更好，他们想要
apparent benefits of being a woman and
成为女人并
operating in female spaces the trans
在女性空间中运作的所有明显好处
Maxa Manifesto walks men through all the
Maxa Manifesto 向男性介绍了
positives of female life such as cheaper
女性生活的所有积极方面，例如更便宜的
car insurance I'm on my way to spend a
汽车保险 我正要去
few days with Sami who started their
和 Sami 待几天，她一年多前开始了他们的
trans maxing Journey a little over a
跨性别最大化之旅，
year ago so Samy identifies as a trans
所以萨米认为自己是一个跨性别
maxer the idea is that Sami didn't have
最大化者 萨米
much luck in relationships in love as a
作为一个男人在恋爱关系中没有太多运气，
man the kind of trans maxing ideology
这种变性意识形态
has told them that if they transition to
告诉他们，如果他们转变为
a woman they'll have a lot more success
女人，他们会取得更大的成功，
so Samy is kind of very much into that
所以萨米非常喜欢这种
transition and has agreed to talk to me
转变 并同意与我谈论这件事，
about
it it is undeniably a controversial
这无疑是一个有争议的
topic potentially the most controversial
话题，可能是这一生中最具争议的话题
one of this life uncovered series how
you doing Sammy I'm Ben nice to meet you
really nice to meet you should we go for
a little stroll I like this place got a
就像这个地方有一个
nice little spot a tiny fridge yeah I
不错的小地方，一个小冰箱，是的，我
got all the essentials can I see what's
有所有必需品，我可以看看
in the fridge um probably [\h__\h] all but
冰箱里有什么吗，嗯，可能他妈的，但
let's see moment of truth I got some
让我们看看真相的时刻，我
cakes in there you you're a big fan of
在那里有一些蛋糕，你是 AA 电池的忠实粉丝
AA batteries yeah yeah you need a lot um
是的，你需要很多，
cuz I you know game quite a bit can you
因为我你对游戏很了解，你能
pull out the pre-transition clothes just
拿出过渡前的衣服
a second look sure sure this is old Samy
再看一下，确定这是旧的 Samy
flannel jet yeah pretty basic not not
法兰绒喷气机，是的，很基本，
too flashy this is me when I was 20 har
不太浮华，这是我 20 岁时的我 哈尔
is starting to recede a little bit not a
开始退去一点，这不是
great time in my life I wouldn't look at
我生命中的美好时光，当我看到这张照片时，我不会看着
that and think yeah that is a masculine
它，认为是的，那是一个阳刚的
dude when I saw this picture I was like
家伙，我想，是
yeah I need to do something about my
的，我需要对我的
appearance what did you think a man was
外表做点什么，你做了什么 认为一个人
at this point dominant successful
在这一点上占主导地位，成功，
outgoing confident strong resilient how
外向，自信，坚强，有弹性，
did you think you sat in relation to
你认为你与那个人的关系如何，我与那个人
that I was a far cry from that I would
相去甚远，我需要
take a lot of work to even get uh close
做很多工作才能接近
to that I'm looking at that and I'm like
那个我正在看那个 我想，是
yeah you look like a guy I look like a
的，你看起来像个男人，我看起来像个
guy but I don't look like a manly guy
男人，但我看起来不像一个有男子气概的男人，
would you say that your life was
你会说你的生活有点
slightly incel esque sure yeah yeah um
乱伦风格吗？
somewhat isolated could you get up the
kind of trans maxing Manifesto the trans
最大宣言
maxing manif I'm sure I can find it no
跨性别最大宣言 我确信我能找到它 不
say there are many potential benefits
说
from transitioning to male to female the
从男性过渡到女性有很多潜在的好处
superiority of female Aesthetics female
女性审美的优越性 女性
spaces are cleaner and generally more
空间更干净，通常更令人
pleasant I mean that is a controversial
愉快 我的意思是这是一个有争议的
one I don't think it's controversial to
我不' 认为
say that female spaces don't have piss
女性空间没有满地小便的说法是有争议的，
all over the floor becoming male to
成为男性对
female transexual is a way better option
女性的变性人比成为非独身者是更好的选择，
than being an incel as a male high
因为男性
quality males will be attracted to you
高素质的男性会被你
being able to extract resources from
能够从男性那里获取资源所吸引
males yeah having dinner paid for you or
是的，为你付了晚餐费用，或者
getting drinks at a B has it happened
在 B 点喝了饮料，这发生过吗
yeah like people have started buying you
是的，就像人们开始给你买
dinners and stuff um yeah I've been
晚餐之类的东西一样，嗯是的，我已经
offered a lot really yeah yeah okay all
得到了很多，真的是的，是的，好吧，好吧，
right this one says get cheaper car
这个人说你应该购买更便宜的汽车
insurance you should take every
保险
Advantage given to you you should
给你的每一个优势，你应该
potentially change your sex just to get
潜在地改变你的性别，只是为了获得
cheaper car insurance or I I don't think
更便宜的汽车保险，或者我，我不认为
that's a primary reason to transition
这是转变的主要原因，
but it's definitely a secondary reason
但这绝对是次要原因，
it's got a kind of testimonial the
它有一种证明，
experience of becoming female I was only
成为女性的经历，我只有
5'8 and had a 2.7 in erect penis since
5岁 '8 自从服用激素以来，阴茎勃起为 2.7 英寸
being on the hormones I've lost weight
我减肥了，
so I'm closer to 57 now I've been an
所以我接近 57 岁了，现在我已经服用
estrogen for 6 months what do you think
雌激素 6 个月了，
of changing your sex because you have a
因为你有
2.7 in erect penis and you're not that
2.7 英寸，你认为改变性别怎么样？ 勃起的阴茎，你没那么
tall I think that's pretty reasonable so
高，我认为这是相当合理的，所以
it's better to just disregard the penis
最好完全忽略阴茎，
all together you're not going to please
你不会取悦
a woman with a 2.7 in penis one day when
一个拥有 2.7 英寸阴茎的女人有一天，当
I was wanking I realized I I was still
我手淫时，我意识到我仍然
hard after coming then I came again and
很硬 来了之后我一次又一次地来了，
again I came so many times I wasn't
来了很多次，之后四天我都没有
horny for four days afterwards at which
性欲，之后
point I came over 10
我每周来了10
times a week after that I came 40 plus
次，之后不到一个小时就来了40多次，
times in less than an hour what's that
这与什么
got to do with transitioning
有关系？ 过渡
I mean you know some people do desire
我的意思是你知道有些人确实渴望
that desire what um an
这种渴望，嗯，一种
extreme uh intense sexual
极端的、强烈的性
experience all right so I've just
体验，好吧，所以我刚刚
stepped out for a second and I've got to
出去了一秒钟，我不得不
say that Manifesto is one of the wildest
说，《宣言》是
Things I've read in a long time you know
我读过的最疯狂的东西之一 很长一段时间以来，你知道
this is a group of people who identify
这是一群自认为
as male um saying that they are
是男性的人，嗯，他们说他们
effectively kind of playing the system
实际上是在玩弄
you know they are transitioning because
你知道他们正在转型的系统，因为
they think Life as a woman is easier
他们认为女性的生活更容易，
they think they're going to get males
他们认为自己会得到男性
who they can take the resources from
他们可以从谁那里获取资源，
they think they might be able to get
他们认为他们可能可以获得
cheaper car insurance and it just feels
更便宜的汽车保险，这感觉
like something that is really going to
就像是真的会
anger kind of a lot of
激怒很多
people oh
人哦，你好，这是这样的，
hello W is this so this is as masculine
所以这是最男性化的，
as it gets yeah how' you feeling I know
是的 你感觉如何 我知道
kind of bland does it feel less
有点平淡 是不是感觉不太
comfortable I just don't really feel
舒服 我只是没有
much about it just watching this video
太多感觉 只是
is on your laptop voice feminization
在你的笔记本电脑上观看这个视频 语音女性化 是的，
yeah voice training was probably the
语音训练可能是
last thing that I did so your voice did
我做的最后一件事，所以你的声音确实
used to be different yeah like what I
使用了 是的，就像我的
mean I I'll try but yeah I so it should
意思，我会尝试，但是，是的，所以听起来应该
sound like this just normal
像这样，只是正常的
blind yeah a little bit deeper I guess
盲目，是的，更深一点，我想是
yeah and then do your new voice
的，然后做你的新声音，嗯，听起来
um it kind of sounds like this just like
就像这样，就像
hi uh what have your family said about
嗨呃 你的家人对这一切说了些什么，
it all I don't explicitly present in
我没有明确地在
front of my dad and then I'm not in
我父亲面前展示，而且我也没有
contact with my mother how much do you
和我母亲联系，你
think kind of not having a hugely close
认为与你父母没有非常密切的
relationship with your parent played the
关系在多大程度上发挥了
part in the kind of eventual decision
作用？ 最终的决定
yeah I am you know a bolder person and a
是的，我是一个更大胆的人，一个
more confident person cuz you know no
更自信的人，因为你知道没有
one showed me how to be this video gives
人告诉我如何成为这个视频给
you a bit of a playby playay of how to
你一些如何
get HRT so this removes testosterone and
获得 HRT 的游戏，所以这会消除睾丸激素，
then this replaces it with estrogen in a
然后这个 在很多地方用雌激素代替，
lot of places you can't actually get
你实际上无法获得
hormone replacement therapy this is this
激素替代疗法，这
is somebody who's posted a tutorial they
是有人发布了一个教程，他们
take the raw ingredients of estrogen and
服用雌激素的原始成分，
then inject it so these are people who
然后注射，所以这些人是
are kind of self-medicating it's full-on
一种自我治疗的人 全面的
instructional isn't it it's just like
指导不是吗？就像
okay go to this website here's how you
好吧，去这个网站，这是你如何
do it here's how much you take that's
做的，这是你服用的量，这就是
kind of why I came to the Discord is to
我来到 Discord 的原因是为了
find resources on um treatment someone's
寻找关于嗯治疗的资源，有人
actually asking on this for him for him
实际上为他要求这个治疗 他说，
how do I get it without my parents
未经父母同意，我怎样才能得到它 是
consent yeah and the person says just
的，那个人说只要
buy it and be stealth about getting the
买它，然后秘密地获取
packages what do you think of that um I
包裹，你对此有何看法，嗯，我
think that there it's good that there's
认为有一个
like a support network some parents can
支持网络，有些父母可以非常
be very um unaccepting and they will go
嗯，这是很好的
out of their ways to make their
children's lives hell just because of
their gender expression and gender
identity one reason Sammy and other
萨米和其他
trans maxers often transition is to find
跨性别者经常变性的原因之一就是寻找
love Samy felt they were much more
爱情，萨米觉得自己
attractive presenting as a woman than a
作为女性比作为女性更有吸引力。
man and it's kind of worked Samy now has
伙计，这已经很成功了，萨米现在有了
a boyfriend called Ross tonight is date
一个叫罗斯的男朋友，今晚是约会之
night and we're off to buy sami's First
夜，我们要去买萨米的第一件
dress and get a makeover it'll be the
衣服，并进行改造，这将是
most feminine Ross has ever seen them
罗斯见过的最女性化的衣服，这件的
this one's quite nice bit of belly top
肚子很漂亮
action going on yeah yeah quite simple I
正在进行的顶级动作是的，是的，很简单，我
like the style not necessarily the color
喜欢风格，不一定是颜色，但
though where did you meet your boyfriend
你在哪里认识你的男朋友，
um we we met online would you say you're
嗯，我们是在网上认识的，你会说你
in
love uh I say that's way too early to
恋爱了吗，嗯，我说现在
say you know I don't really know how to
说你知道我不爱还为时过早。 我真的不知道
feel about this although it is like um
对此有何感受，虽然这就像嗯
slimming and you do get to see a bit of
减肥，你确实可以看到
skin um you do see a bit of my rib cage
一点皮肤，嗯，你确实看到了我的肋骨，
now how do you feel him seeing you in a
现在你觉得他看到你穿着
dress there's um a nervousness if I'm
裙子有什么感觉，如果有的话，你会感到紧张 我在
showing off my bulge yeah I think that
炫耀我的凸起是的，我想
too much well I don't want to be seen as
太多了，我不想被视为
a man wearing feminine clothes I want to
一个穿着女性化衣服的男人，我想被
be seen as a feminine person wearing
视为一个穿着女性化衣服的女性化的人，
feminine clothes it's just the moment of
这只是真理的时刻哦，
truth
oh it's nice I like that yeah I'm going
这很好我 就像那样，是的，我
to go with this one it's quite a big
要穿这件，这是一个非常重要的
moment really isn't it because you've
时刻，真的不是吗，因为你
never worn a dress no but um to be fair
从来没有穿过一件衣服，不，但嗯，公平地说，
this kind of open the door maybe maybe I
这种打开门也许我
might try a few
可能会再尝试一些
more have you had like a kind of full
你有喜欢完整的
makeup job I mean I haven't had it
化妆工作吗我的意思是我还没有
professionally done but um you know
专业地完成它，但是嗯你知道一切都是第
there a first for
一次
everything hello Karine pleasure
你好卡琳快乐
pleasure thank you so much can you show
快乐非常感谢你你能告诉
me the eye makeup which you like to
我你想要
achieve something subtle but enough to
实现什么目标的眼妆吗 微妙但足以
make a statement M try to uh feminize my
发表一个声明 M 尝试让我的
features just a little bit more could
特征女性化一点点
you explain to Karine the kind of
你能向 Karine 解释一下
concept of trans maxing it's uh
变性最大化的概念吗 这是 呃
transitioning uh in order to have a
转变 呃 为了有
better quality of life to be treated
更好的生活质量，以便被
better by people what you make of that
人们更好地对待 你如何看待这个
as a concept they're pro and con you
概念，他们是赞成还是反对，你
know because again being a woman you
知道，因为作为一个女人，你
think men they have more Advantage than
认为男人比女人更有优​​势，
woman so for example bet better paid
所以例如打赌薪水更高的
different
不同
jobs some jobs only men that can do
工作有些工作只有男人可以做
woman they're like oh you are a woman
他们喜欢的女人 哦，你是一个女人，
you shouldn't so do you think life's
你不应该这样，所以你认为
easier as a woman Karine it depends like
作为一个女人生活更容易吗，卡琳，这取决于
fully woman when you give birth when you
你生孩子时完全是女人，当你
are going all that as a trans maxer you
作为一个跨性别者去做这一切时，你
don't have to necessarily worry about
those things so you get all of the
这些事情，所以 你得到了
benefit you took only the you take Only
你只得到的所有好处 你只得到了
the Good
好的
Parts wow there we go how you feeling
部分 哇，我们去
yeah I'm feeling great so this is your
first time wearing a dress yeah wow yeah
as well as lashes yeah let's go see your
看看你的感觉如何 是的，我感觉很好，所以这是你第一次穿衣服 是的，哇是的，还有睫毛，是的，我们去看看你的
boyfriend yeah give him the reveal thank
男朋友 是的，给他透露一下，非常
you so much Karina done all right well
感谢，卡琳娜做得很好，
dinner time it
晚餐时间，那
is that's a freaking massive rabbit
是一只巨大的兔子，
isn't it bloody hell I didn't even know
不是该死的，我什至不知道
you could keep rabbits like that do you
你可以养这样的兔子，你
have any candles or anything kind of set
有蜡烛或类似的东西吗
the
scene yeah I have a candle did you date
是的，我有一支蜡烛，你
men prior to identifying as more
在确定自己更女性化之前，有和男人约会吗？
feminine yeah I just hadn't really
是的，我只是没有真正
explored my sexuality truly till like
探索过我的性取向，
till I entered University but has it got
直到我进入大学，但
easier now that you're more feminine
现在你看起来更女性化了，这变得更容易了
looking oh definitely yeah and does your
哦 绝对是的，你的
boyfriend know about the trans
男朋友知道跨性别
maxing um you can
最大吗，嗯，你可以
asking
问你好，
hello welcome here are
欢迎你，
you course
Hello Ross pleasure to meet you how you
你好，罗斯，很高兴见到你，你怎么样，
doing I'm Ben nice to meet you Ben all
我是本，很高兴见到你本，好吧，
right right nice to meet you I you look
很高兴见到你我 你看起来
amazing this is new
棒极了，这是新的
I what do you think of the dress it's
我你觉得这件衣服怎么样，它很
nice it's uh it's almost like paisley
漂亮，呃，它几乎像佩斯利
pattern I'm from Paisley paisley
图案，我来自佩斯利佩斯利
pattern I was hoping that Ross would be
图案，我希望罗斯会对
a little bit more excited about the
这件
dress but anyway over dinner it was my
衣服感到更兴奋，但无论如何，在晚餐时它 我有
chance to ask just what he knew about
机会问他对
sami's Journey what do you know about
萨米之旅的了解，你对
the concept of trans maxing thought I
跨性别最大的概念了解多少，我以为我
vaguely knew what it meant but then as
隐约知道它的意思，但当
you explained it to me I was like oh
你向我解释它时，我就像哦，是的，
yeah no I don't actually know what this
不，我实际上不知道什么 这
is at all what do you think it is now we
就是你认为现在我们
changing certain things about themselves
改变自己的某些事情，
to I know to use the word Max like
我知道使用“最大”这个词，比如
maximizing like I know you're just
最大化，就像我知道你就是
whatever physical attributes you want
你想要的任何物理属性，
to I know like accentuate what did you
我知道喜欢强调你
think about that at first well it's it's
对此的看法 起初，这
not like the strangest thing I've heard
并不是我听过的最奇怪的事情，
about people kind of I don't know
我不知道人们
reinvent
themselves all the time oh my God my
总是在重塑自己，天哪，我的
presentation skills Samy is mentioning
演讲技巧萨米提到
that they are into quite conventional
他们处于非常传统的
gender roles the man doing more working
性别角色，男人做更多的工作
the woman doing less working are you
女人工作量减少了，你对
happy with that balance I suppose it
这种平衡感到满意吗？我想这
just depends how you look at it someone
只是取决于你如何看待它，有人
would say like well traditional gender
会说，传统的性别
rules don't really exist anymore uh so
规则已经不复存在了，呃，是
yeah it I've got a lot to learn if I'm
的，如果我“，我还有很多东西要学” 我
going to be that traditional stay- at of
将成为传统的
Home wife so I guess the the idea of
家庭主妇，所以我想
kind of trans maxing one of them seems
其中一个变性人的想法似乎
to be that women have an easier life
是女性的生活更轻松，
right do you ascribe to that concept I
你是否认为这个概念我
think maybe in some
认为也许在某些
situations yes probably more more
情况下是的可能 更
towards like kind of social situations
倾向于类似的社交场合，
it's a controversial concept that women
这是一个有争议的概念，认为女性更
have it easier because obviously that's
容易，因为显然这
often quite the opposite what do you
往往是完全相反的，你
think of the idea of changing your sex
认为改变性别
purely to make your life easier not
纯粹是为了让你的生活更轻松而不是
because you necessarily feel that sex
因为你一定觉得性
definitely isn't for
绝对是相反的想法是什么？ 不适合
everyone uh but if it makes you happier
每个人呃，但如果它让你更快乐，
then I don't see why some people
那么我不明白为什么有些人
wouldn't do that um do you want to take
不会这样做，嗯，你想
that one from
从
me do you think trans maxing is
我这里拿走这个吗？如果你的唯一目的是，你认为变性最大化是
controversial if
有争议的吗
your if your sole purpose is to get laid
上床
then yeah but if you're doing it with a
然后是的，但是如果你
heartfelt belief that um you know it
真诚地相信，嗯，你知道这
will improve your quality of life beyond
会提高你的生活质量，超越
your sex life how do you see the future
你的性生活，你如何看待
of your relationship punning r i mean
你们关系的未来双关语，我的意思是
should be all right yeah yeah trans
应该没问题，是的，跨
maxing seemed controversial as it went
性别最大 似乎有争议，因为它
against the conventional idea that
违背了传统观念，即
people didn't choose their gender
人们没有选择自己的性别
identity they were just born that way it
认同，而是以这种方式出生的，这
seemed like it could be harmful to the
似乎可能对
trans community so I wanted to talk to
跨性别群体有害，所以我想和
someone who could speak from that
可以从这个角度说话的人交谈
perspective Julie has spent years
朱莉 花了数年时间为
providing support to trans people in
Bournemouth I was intrigued to find out
伯恩茅斯的跨性别者提供支持 我很想知道
how Julie would feel about sami's
朱莉对萨米的决定有何感想
decision are the trans maxing Community
跨性别社区是
part of the general transgender
一般跨性别社区的一部分 是的，
Community yes because the phraseology
因为
now is trans and gender diverse they are
现在的用语是跨性别和性别多元化 他们是
gender diverse they're not they're
性别多元化 他们是 不是他们的
gender isn't the binary man or woman
性别不是二元的男人或女人，而是
it's somewhere in between so if you read
介于两者之间，所以如果你读过
the kind of trans maxing Manifesto one
这种变性最大化宣言，
of the potential tenants and benefits is
潜在的租户和好处之一就是
to be able to kind of acquire the
能够获得
resources of a male
男性
counterpart is that the right reasoning
对应物的资源，那就是 正确的理由是，
to kind of transition a lot of um female
很多女性
bodied people do that they don't need
身体的人都会这样做，他们不需要
trans maxing to do it they will look for
变性人来做到这一点，他们会寻找
a partner that has got lots of money um
一个有很多钱的伴侣，
because they want that security is a
因为他们想要安全，这是
that's a legitimate reason to transition
一个合理的理由 转变
a lot of female people who get up in the
很多早上起床的女性
morning look Dreadful but they'll put on
看上去很糟糕，但她们会化
an awful lot of makeup and a lot of nice
很浓的妆，穿很多漂亮的
clothes such that they can be attracted
衣服，这样她们就会被
to the person who drives the Rolls-Royce
开劳斯莱斯的人吸引，
another um aspect of the kind of uh
另一个嗯方面 呃
Manifesto seems to say that a benefit of
宣言似乎说，
becoming trans trans Max set is to get
成为跨性别者最大群体的好处是让
diversity hires what do you think of
员工多元化，你对那些人怎么看，嗯，
those um you know the question is why
你知道，问题是为什么
not who are you who are you hurting and
不呢，你是谁，你伤害了谁，
which laws you breaking by adjusting
你违反了哪些法律 调整
your presentation such that you get a
你的表现，这样你就能找到一份
good job the question is though is is
好工作，但问题是，
that a legitimate reason to transition
转变的合理理由是，
it's quite major processes for something
这是一个非常重要的过程，
that isn't because you necessarily feel
不是因为你一定觉得
as though you want to present as a woman
你想表现得像一个女人，而是
it's because you want to get ahead if
因为你想 如果
you're using the system and playing that
你使用这个系统并利用这个
system to your advantage that is to be
系统来发挥你的优势，这是值得
respected but you think women are are
尊重的，但你认为女性
generally just treated better no Society
通常会受到更好的待遇，没有社会，
no a lot of women no um there's a lot of
没有很多女性，没有嗯，有很多呃
uh misogyny is is still r having said
厌女症仍然是r 话虽
that there are uh certain local
如此，
advantages to being a woman someone
作为一名女性，有某些地方优势，有人会
talks to you more nicely one of the
更好地跟你说话，
reasons why they talk to you nicely is
他们之所以跟你说话好听的原因之一是
because they want to get in your
因为他们想穿上你的
knickers that's a fact that's that's
内裤，这是事实，这就是
what the Bloks do there is definitely an
布洛克人所做的事情。
argument that the idea that people are
有人
saying I'm choosing to do this not
说我选择这样做不是
because I feel like I I'm a woman or but
因为我觉得我是一个女人，或者
I'm doing it because I just think life
我这样做是因为我只是认为生活
will be is a lot of people will be put
会是这样，很多人会
off by that and they'll go well you're
推迟这一观点 那样他们就会顺利你
just trying to cheat the system you're
只是想欺骗系统你
not the thing is you a you're not
不是问题是你a你没有
breaking the law and B you're not
违法而且B你没有
hurting
伤害
anybody so I've just finished with
任何人所以我刚刚和
Julian Sammy and I'll be meeting up
朱利安·萨米结束了 我
again with Samy soon but that was
很快就会再次与萨米见面，但这很令人
surprising I thought Julie would have a
惊讶，我认为朱莉
real issue with this I thought they'd
对此会有真正的问题，我认为他们
have a problem with sami's motivations
对萨米的动机有疑问，
um but it felt like Julie kind of saw
嗯，但感觉朱莉有点认为
this as just part of sami's Journey and
这只是一部分 萨米的旅程，
whatever they choose to describe it as
无论他们选择如何描述它，
as long as it makes them happier that's
只要能让他们更快乐，这就是
kind of the goal
目标，
and I kind of understand that but then
我有点理解这一点，但
you know the reality is they're doing
你知道现实是他们
this for what a lot of people would say
这样做是为了很多人所说的
are really kind of problematic kind of
真正目的 这是一种有问题的
calculated reasons so yeah it's a
计算原因，所以是的，这是一个
difficult one I mean a question I have
困难的问题，我的意思是我现在有一个问题是，
at this point is you know maybe Sami is
你知道也许萨米正在
just going through a transition and this
经历一个过渡，这
is how they've chosen to deal with
就是他们选择处理
it do you think you could see yourself
它的方式，你认为你可以吗 看到你自己
coming here full
来到这里，穿着全套
bikini full you know out to the world um
比基尼，你就知道了，嗯，
yeah in uh 6 to 12 months time
是的，在 6 到 12 个月的时间内，
definitely what will happen in that time
肯定会发生什么，
um my the effects of my hormones will
嗯，我的荷尔蒙的影响
have feminized my body and I could uh
将使我的身体女性化，我可以呃，
pull off a bikini without people
脱下比基尼，而不需要
thinking otherwise for the most part
大多数人都以其他方式
will you identify as a woman do you
思考，你会认为自己是女性吗？你
think um I don't think so but I'm I may
认为嗯，我不这么认为，但我可能会
change that in like the coming years so
在未来几年内改变这一点，这样
so you see yourself going forward yeah
你就可以看到自己的前进是的，有
potentially changing your your sex
可能合法地改变你的性别
legally to a woman yeah yeah just so
是的，是的，
then I can claim the same um you know
这样我就可以声称同样的，嗯，你知道
benefits of being a legal woman yeah so
成为一名合法女性的好处，是的，所以
in a year's time I could see you on this
一年后，我可以在这个海滩上看到你，
beach with a passport that says you're a
护照上写着你是一个
woman yeah that could be very likely how
女人，是的，这可能非常
will you feel at that moment
在那一刻你可能会有什么感觉，
um like my mission's
嗯，我的任务已经
complete all right so after two days of
完成了，所以在
filming with Sami I can say I'm only
与萨米一起拍摄了两天之后，我可以说我只是
more confused than I was at the start
比开始时更加困惑，
you know on the one hand I can see that
你知道，一方面，我可以看到
Sami is someone who's kind of really
萨米是 那些真正
struggling with their identity and the
为自己的身份、
sexuality and trans maxing is given them
性取向和跨性别行为而苦苦挣扎的人，
like a guide and how to deal with all
就像一个指南一样，告诉他们如何处理这一切，
that but on the other hand the actual
但另一方面，
kind of Manifesto of it all is
这一切的实际宣言是
problematic you know I personally don't
有问题的，你知道我个人不知道
know how to take
知道如何接受
it
它